tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9040807413744183436.post9141299124052092309..comments2023-10-23T00:53:05.301-04:00Comments on Heretic: Study: double mortality after replacing animal fats with vegetable fatsStan Bleszynskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03922719716458272303noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9040807413744183436.post-31410027902362230412014-03-17T02:35:11.344-04:002014-03-17T02:35:11.344-04:00This text may be value everyone’s attention. How w...This text may be value everyone’s attention. How will I learn more?<br /><a href="http://www.carinsurancerates.com" rel="nofollow">auto insurance</a><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9040807413744183436.post-70903420186456557662013-03-23T12:22:09.422-04:002013-03-23T12:22:09.422-04:00Sam, I am also puzzled by the Alskan and Andean mu...Sam, I am also puzzled by the Alskan and Andean mummies with athersosclerosis. This is somewhat contradicting the report of these peoples' good health prior to the adoption of European food. One issue is the small number of the corpses studied. Another possibility is that the atherosclerosis can be triggered by many factors other than the high carb or high wheat diet. Some of the3m are known such as hypothyrpidism/lack of iodine, deficiency of microeement such as magnesium and copper, and bacterial infections (chlamydia is one such documented in the literature, riketsia is another). Traces of arterial plaque are common, even among people who never or very rarely suffer from heart disease, for example Masai. Not every plaque is equal and not every form of plaque is deadly.<br /><br />No I am not a diet fundamentalist - I am not upset if you bring contrary evidence or questions, I welcome it! My interest is purely scientific. I just like you, would like to know what is happening and why. Best regards,<br />Stan (Heretic)<br />Stan Bleszynskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03922719716458272303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9040807413744183436.post-6608377533467288702013-03-23T02:06:47.507-04:002013-03-23T02:06:47.507-04:00Thanks for your blog. You've convinced me that...Thanks for your blog. You've convinced me that omega-6's are bad. Wheat/corn carbs are bad. I'm still not convinced that saturated fats don't clog your arteries. I hope you understand this criticism is not of you personally. People get so upset these days over any kind of differences of opinion. Especially diet. I just want to get the facts straight and hopefully add something to your knowledge base. I read a blog page the other day that said that Inuit from before European times were found frozen and autopsied. They had atherosclerosis. Now maybe it was fire smoke or other bad diet that accounted for this but they did follow a diet heavy in saturated fats. Unfortunately I lost the page. I tried to find the study and maybe I did but I'm not sure.<br /><br />Atherosclerosis-in-Pre-Westernized-Inuit.pdf<br /><br />http://www.meandmydiabetes.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Atherosclerosis-in-Pre-Westernized-Inuit.pdf<br /><br />The next report I found is confusing. Some reports high Atherosclerosis some low.<br /><br />Low incidence of cardiovascular disease among the Inuit*/what is the<br />evidence?<br /><br />http://www.researchgate.net/publication/10943329_Low_incidence_of_cardiovascular_disease_among_the_Inuit--what_is_the_evidence/file/79e41509268714c56f.pdf<br /><br />Here's what I think(at the moment, diet is complicated). Lots of fat included saturated fat helps the body function but maybe it clogs the arteries (not sure). I also believe that people can do well on a low fat- high carb diet if they watch what kind of carbs they eat. But who wants to eat like that? Is that even living? So I'm wondering what you think of Pauling therapy?<br /><br />PAULING THERAPY Synopsis-short<br /><br />http://www.internetwks.com/pauling/short.html<br /><br />Chapter 7 The Pauling Therapy - extended<br /><br />http://practicingmedicinewithoutalicense.com/protocol/excerpt_chp7.pdf<br /><br />I tried this for over a month with doses slowly going up. I don't think I reached the maximum dose. I was also using liposomal vitamin C made like this:<br /><br />http://www.quantumbalancing.com/liposomalC.htm<br /><br />I had my blood tested before and my cholesterol was slightly high, (I don't have the numbers in front of me). After using the Pauling therapy for several weeks the results were my cholesterol went higher. Arrggh! Maybe it was washing out the cholesteral and that was the higher level measured? I then stopped for a few months and it went back down. I did feel better though with the Pauling therapy. Seemed that hiking up hills was easier. I was less winded. I'm going to try Pauling therapy again. The general idea being more saturated fats to feel better and clear out the mitochondria. Pauling therapy to clean out the resulting sludge from the saturated fats.Samnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9040807413744183436.post-67814106437072650972013-02-16T22:25:38.064-05:002013-02-16T22:25:38.064-05:00Aaron,
Re: the omega-6 and worms study
Activatio...Aaron,<br /><br />Re: the omega-6 and worms study<br /><br />Activation of autophagy (beneficial) may be mediated by more than omega-6 arachidonic acid, its role may be coincidental, and the other issue is the dosage.<br /><br /> In fact it makes me suspect that the beneficial effects of low level ionizing radiation (see <a href="http://stan-heretic.blogspot.ca/search/label/hormesis" rel="nofollow">hormesis</a>) and that a certain not too low level of stress (for example cold environment under ketogenic diet) may be perhaps related to this effect. Interesting topic.<br />Stan<br />Stan Bleszynskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03922719716458272303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9040807413744183436.post-54177605181332268182013-02-14T17:48:07.051-05:002013-02-14T17:48:07.051-05:00What do you think about this study? I know it is ...What do you think about this study? I know it is on worms, but it shows that polyunsaturated fats might not be as bad as you think.<br /><br />Cellular renewal process may underlie benefits of omega fatty acids<br /><br />"Study of tiny roundworms provides clue to observed human health benefits"<br /><br />http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2013-02/mgh-crp021313.phpAaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14565481105849556142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9040807413744183436.post-13496645341890564322013-02-12T13:55:50.776-05:002013-02-12T13:55:50.776-05:00Hi Stan
Here's something for you.
I was on ...Hi Stan<br /><br />Here's something for you. <br /><br />I was on Pubmed looking up some other info and noticed that this paper apparently is now one of the most sought after papers on it.<br /><br />Hopefully this paper is going to make worm turn.Michael Barkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04768809529849718860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9040807413744183436.post-64967890013159382612013-02-11T16:53:38.970-05:002013-02-11T16:53:38.970-05:00"… or something else that is in the commercia..."… or something else that is in the commercially manufactured vegetable oils …"<br /><br />Good question.<br /><br />First of all, one nitpick, I think the problem is overconsumption of seed oils – commercially manufactured or not.<br /><br />Then, while I think that BOTH the ratio and the absolute amount of n-6 is an problem (if not *THE* problem), there is one more thing in seed oil of which I don't have numbers: oil-solvent xenohormones.<br /><br />(And here a short reminder to look into Bill Lands work, which focuses AFAIK on the n-3/n-6 metabolism, and how PUFAs get metabolized in prostaglandines, with n-3 and n-6 ending up in *different* series of prostaglandines – one potential pathogenic pathway)Tony Machhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14823430729798784689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9040807413744183436.post-12148205636077639012013-02-11T15:02:56.720-05:002013-02-11T15:02:56.720-05:00Guyenet states that Lyon participants continued to...Guyenet states that Lyon participants continued to eat cheeses on their low-fat diet.<br /><br />Sydney diet of 1966 would have been rich in animal fat, but maybe some vege shortenings were used in baking.<br /><br />Puddleghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00953398103675945541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9040807413744183436.post-86117822387319300682013-02-11T14:58:45.362-05:002013-02-11T14:58:45.362-05:00Yes, the removal of SFA stands out and it's in...Yes, the removal of SFA stands out and it's interesting how commentators avoid mentioning it, some fool dietician from the UK theorized it was a lack of MUFA, which "protects against LA". Well, SFA does that too, and we know that SFA was restricted in the study, we don't know that about MUFA. And why the hell should we be eating something that we need to be "protected against"? <br /><br />Drugs for side effects of drugs?<br />"I don't know why she swallowed the fly!"Puddleghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00953398103675945541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9040807413744183436.post-9314992193925221212013-02-10T23:06:28.117-05:002013-02-10T23:06:28.117-05:00[continuation of the Lyon Study thread from your m...[continuation of the Lyon Study thread from your message] <br />The fact that increased saturated fat consumption has had as much positive benefit as subtraction of the vegetable oil, may indicate that it is the excess of the omega-6 alone that is causing the problem, quite independently on the omega-3. One can also argue that this study may be suggesting that an addition of saturated fat could be almost as beneficial as adding omega-3. <br /><br />The positive effect of adding omega-3 in the Lyon Study was almost twice as strong as the negative effect of adding omega-6, although it is hard to compare if the exact quantities of the supplements are not know (perhaps they are documented?). One thing about the French diet - it was and still is very high in animal fats therefore the Lyon Study simply added Omega-3 to an already high saturated fat diet, and the French heart disease risk is already one of the lowest in the Western world. On the other hand Australian diet in the Sydney Study may have been originally more "regressive" (American-like) and lower in animal fat than the French. Perhaps it was the removal of the saturated fat that has done most of the damage? <br /><br />There are many possibilities/interpretations.<br />Stan Bleszynskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03922719716458272303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9040807413744183436.post-68282200567139788352013-02-10T22:53:14.230-05:002013-02-10T22:53:14.230-05:00Thanks for the link on mitochondria. Re: Lyon Stu...Thanks for the link on mitochondria. Re: Lyon Study - it is an interesting question, weather the Omega-3 to Omega-6 ratio is the deciding factor or is it overconsumption of omega-6, linoleic acid in particular, that is the main problem? Hard to tell without more research. Also, it is not entirely certain if it is indeed the polyunsaturated omega-6 fats that is the main factor, or something else that is in the commercially manufactured vegetable oils. Partial oxidation? Transfats? Bottled vegetable oils are quite high in transfats (a few %), for example Canola oil (fresh) is supposed to contain about 4% omega-3, but it is unstable and converts all that omega-3 fat rather quickly into transfats, while in storage, catalized by the added anti-oxidants. There was an article about that by Dr. Mary Enig (see www.westonaprice.org).<br /><br />I have seen some studies on nuts (nuts contain polyunsat fats mostly omega-6) added to patient's diet and they all seem to report a beneficial outcome. However, they are not long term studies. <br /><br />StanStan Bleszynskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03922719716458272303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9040807413744183436.post-91309114939216084162013-02-10T17:03:25.993-05:002013-02-10T17:03:25.993-05:00Aha, a 70% reduction is probably a greater differe...Aha, a 70% reduction is probably a greater difference than a 70% increase! Told you my math was bad.Puddleghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00953398103675945541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9040807413744183436.post-78773553810315045172013-02-10T14:42:46.331-05:002013-02-10T14:42:46.331-05:00I've just been reading your post on mitochondr...I've just been reading your post on mitochondrial destruction http://stan-heretic.blogspot.co.nz/2011/10/is-t2-diabetes-result-of-mitochondrial.html<br />ketone bodies stimulate mitochondrial replication, this is the mechanism when ketogenic diets are used to repair neurons. <br />http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0165017308001045<br />Aubrey de Grey has some good semi-speculative papers on the fate of mitochondria.<br />http://www.sens.org/files/pdf/MiFRA-06.pdfPuddleghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00953398103675945541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9040807413744183436.post-61175964607017870952013-02-10T14:29:48.286-05:002013-02-10T14:29:48.286-05:00I thought the authors did address the transfats, a...I thought the authors did address the transfats, and the cholesterol says the influence was minimal, but it's still a then-unknown that would be quantified today. <br />There seems to have been a leak between the groups - at first some controls snuck in Miracle, while the Miracle group increasingly reverted to butter.<br /><br />I am curious as to how the Standard Australian Diet (1966-1973) compares with the low-fat Mediterranean diet in the Lyon study (the Guyenet discussion I link to).<br />We can easily compare both because much the same prudent diet was contrasted in both. Well I can't, because I am something of a math illiterate, but they look pretty similar.<br />We have about 1.7 OR from SDHS and (the inverse) a 76% reduction in deaths from LDHT (more details here: http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.co.nz/2009/06/lyon-diet-heart-study.html ). How comparable are those? Is the SAD of 66-73 a valid alternative to the low-fat Med diet?Puddleghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00953398103675945541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9040807413744183436.post-73393691581776203022013-02-09T14:44:25.694-05:002013-02-09T14:44:25.694-05:00Gutierrez criticism isn't very good, since the...Gutierrez criticism isn't very good, since the transfats issue was addressed satisfactory by the authors and total cholesterol reduction in intervention indicates that transfats could not have been the major part.<br /><br />Yes indeed, what does it take to convince a Western tenured "scientist"? How did Galileo manage to convince his bishops to look through his telescope? He didn't, he just published his work and the bishop was @#$% regardless. Openess is the best defence! Stan Bleszynskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03922719716458272303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9040807413744183436.post-17423376091365609082013-02-08T22:48:13.221-05:002013-02-08T22:48:13.221-05:00I've just blogged about this here:
http://ho...I've just blogged about this here: <br /><br />http://hopefulgeranium.blogspot.co.nz/2013/02/the-results-show-that-omega-6-linoleic.html<br /><br />Taking a somewhat different angle based on the ideas and criticisms in doctors' responses to the BMJ. <br />What will it take to satisfy some people? How can results be clearer?Puddleghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00953398103675945541noreply@blogger.com